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Roga Dracor
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Mental Disorders Inc.
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Posted - 2011.07.05 19:13:00 -
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So, given it's import in the general scheme of things I thought I'd open a group dicussion on the Mirror, taking each piece and examining it until we come to some sort of consensus.
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Roga Dracor
Caldari
Mental Disorders Inc.
Apex United
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Posted - 2011.07.05 19:24:00 -
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Edited by: Roga Dracor on 05/07/2011 19:25:10
I, personally, think a greater part of the history of New Eden can be gleaned from the information here and in the rest of wormhole space, but, the real clues lie in the Cosmos and Storyline missions..
ARCHIVE ENCLAVE
1.1-3.3 Digital Backup Library
3.4-3.5 Terran Artifacts
4.1 Theories of the EVE Gate
5.1 Talocan Technology
6.1-6.9 Emergent Ideologies
The very first entry, as pointed out by another, is a digital backup library. I think she errs though, in thinking it a Mirror of everything else presented.. That is effectively done by multiple Mirror sites all over wh space, and evidenced by the massive amounts of data beaming across wh space.
No, it is a digital backup of something else. Anyone care to try their hand at deciphering this piece of the puzzle?
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Roga Dracor
Caldari
Mental Disorders Inc.
Apex United
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Posted - 2011.07.06 01:55:00 -
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Edited by: Roga Dracor on 06/07/2011 02:06:33
Edited by: Roga Dracor on 06/07/2011 01:55:37
LOL, Auwnie...
Sorry, Alessandra, didn't mean to upset you, I fear I pick up bad habits from my comtemporaries.. But it was just an innocent little bait..
The first thing one sees about the enclave is "Archive". An archive is generally filled with old, little used data. Like you said, the basics upon which all else is built. To that I agree.
After the Digital Backup Library they have a collection of Terran Artifacts. This would seem to imply that the "Sleepers" had easy access to the Terran artifacts scattered across New Eden BEFORE the "Jove" hid them. Again, this seems to imply the "Sleepers" made it to Eve Gate before the "Jove".
The next thing I see is Theories of the Eve Gate, so even though these people transmigrated to New Eden through the Eve Gate, they didn't understand it anymore than we do. And it is not what they thought it was.
By the sheer amount of effort and planning that went into the Enclaves and wormhole space, I doubt it was "thrown together as a last ditch effort to save their race". Forgive me again if you didn't mean exactly that. Wormhole space is a vast empire of the "Sleepers", with every system controlled by their drones. They spent a LONG time there, doing some incredible feats of scientific engineering.
Next, Talocan Technology, the Talocan seem to share many qualities with the Jove, just like the Sleepers do. The Talocan items share a wild west theme, "good guys style". What, when you looked up Tlalocan, and you know many of you did,  stuck out most about them to you? To me it was the fact that they sacrificed their children to a god of rain, disease and mental illness to improve the conditions of their lives.
The Talocan abandoned much of their technology in wh space, some apparently stripped by the drones or decayed by centuries of no maintainence. Many of these ruins sit next to the pristine structures of the Sleepers. If these societies had been in constant conflict it is highly unlikely they would have structures so close together.
So, either they coexisted together peacefully for a time, before igniting a war. They were working together against a common enemy, or there is no practical difference and their adversary is less easily identifiable.
Given that Sleeper and Talocan technology reverse engineer using exactly the same materials, etc., into the same hybrid technology, one has to assume they are related.
I have never reverse engineered anything Yan Jung or Takmahl, so I can't comment on the process and results.
I am still looking for a cheap old copy of Empyrean Age.. 
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Roga Dracor
Caldari
Mental Disorders Inc.
Apex United
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Posted - 2011.07.06 03:33:00 -
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I have a postulation for you.
Five races enter a new world. It is never shown on the timeline of New Eden, the origins of the fifth race, the Jove. Arguably the oldest spacefaring race in the cluster, likely spaceing within a century or so of the devastating closure of the Eve Gate.
One hundred, maybe two hundred years. That means the Jovian Elders likely witnessed the event, or perhaps caused it to found their First Empire, that lasted, what? Nine Thousand years?
The Amarr were second back into space, after evolving, with the Udorians and a few others, from the Conformist movement of the Unified Catholic Church, which we know little about. The Amarr were supposedly bound to one system for much of that time.
The Caldari and Gallente hark from the same system, apparently evolved from the enigmatic Tau Cetans, starfaring frenchmen carrying democracy to the galaxy, and a quasi-asian megacorporation. Likewise, system bound, while the Jove Empires flourished around them.
The Minmatar appear to be the result of some kind of open colonization endeavor. Again, system bound for the majority of the Jove Empires' heydays.
So for nine thousand years the Jove had free run of New Eden, barred from three planetary systems in a non-interference attitude, which included disaster relief. They were not evil, simply, ammoral. They valued knowledge, these Jovian men, and hoarded it like the mythological dragons of lore.
They built a new order, to last the ages. They built edifices to their omniscience to last as long as time itself. But, they stretched too far, and reached for what was not due mortal man. And it all came crashing down, but the edifices remained, allowed them to rebuild from the ashes with a new ideology, but, they lacked the manpower and so they embarked into their second folly, the "rogue drones". Their third and greatest folly is us and Nation.
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Roga Dracor
Caldari
Mental Disorders Inc.
Apex United
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Posted - 2011.07.06 04:01:00 -
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Edited by: Roga Dracor on 06/07/2011 04:03:53
As far as interactivity of objects, there is only one that I know of, the inverted stasis tower, or some such. I had thought maybe some combination of Talocan objects that are out there might do something, but, I have never tried.
I will approach the next Enclave later, time to play Eve and stop talking about it..
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Roga Dracor
Caldari
Mental Disorders Inc.
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Posted - 2011.07.07 07:59:00 -
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Yes, a University, a Research Center, a Laboratory, a Repository of Knowledge, and more.
The thing that strikes me about this is the scale. And it is very likely all the major governments are complicite.
Rek Jaiga directed my gaze toward the subject of Thermodynamics a while back, and I thank him for it. It opens another vista of the mystery that is out there. Mainly, the idea of Entropy, and more specifically, Social Entropy and Energetics. These concepts also bear heavily on just what the Enclaves at the Mirror represent.
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Roga Dracor
Caldari
Mental Disorders Inc.
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Posted - 2011.07.07 08:33:00 -
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And the idea of two residential areas confirms another suspicion I have had. I think your wrong about gender. The Jove have no physical appetite for copulation. They curbed those appetites, just like their emotions.
And I have always wondered that the Society of Conscious Thought only seemed to reflect the Male Jovians, with an institution out there, somewhere, that must represent the Female Jovians.
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Roga Dracor
Caldari
Mental Disorders Inc.
Apex United
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Posted - 2011.07.07 09:38:00 -
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Research Enclave - BioGenetics
1.0-3.2 Animal Cryogenic Research Laboratories
3.3-3.8 Holding Pens
4.0-6.0 De-animation Genealogy Research Library
7.0-8.0 Student Classrooms
9.0 Human Cryogenetic Applications
Where does one get the biomass to create test tube babies for an entire race? The Jove reproduce through actually building an individual from scratch.
Or, perhaps if they needed better cloning material? They would need to keep it alive.
Being the research minded beings that they are, they may keep immaculate records of where that cloning stock came from.
The young Jovians would need to be educated.
Modifications might need to be added to the mix.
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Roga Dracor
Caldari
Mental Disorders Inc.
Apex United
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Posted - 2011.07.07 10:17:00 -
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Edited by: Roga Dracor on 07/07/2011 10:27:43
It is also my belief the Jove have become parasitic, needing a viable base population to exist upon. Why did the Sleepers nap? Could it be the host recognized the parasite and was knocked back to the stone age to compensate?
Research Enclave - Theoretical Genetics
1.0 Interdigital Neural Activity Laboratories
2.0 Multiple-Ancestry Research
3.0 Statistical Proliferation Archive
4.0 Datagenesis Procedures
5.0-8.0 Backup Servers
9.0 Mixed Intelligence Displays
Using a base genetic soup, they manipulate and arrange the genes as they see fit. As stated, the "Sleepers" were adept with neural interfacing. They obviously were fully infomorphic, and commanded pod technology.
Likely, it was beyond pod technology. Holographic environments and artificial personalities were likely commonplace, as well.
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Roga Dracor
Caldari
Mental Disorders Inc.
Apex United
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Posted - 2011.07.07 10:38:00 -
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Medical Enclave
1.0 Emergency
2.0-2.8 Triage
2.9 Stasis
3.0 Quarantine Sector A
4.0 Quarantine Sector B
4.0-9.2 Quarantine Sector C
9.3 Quarantine Sector X
The structures appear to have been built after the Jovian had been struck by their dreaded genetic disease, the reason they resorted to parasitism, and the manipulation of humanity.
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Roga Dracor
Caldari
Mental Disorders Inc.
Apex United
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Posted - 2011.07.07 11:24:00 -
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Communications Enclave
1.0-5.1 Microvirtual Transmission Sensor
5.2-5.5 Sensor Backup Systems
6.0 Operation Servers
7.0 Proliferation News Network Studios
8.0 Detransmission Clusters
The "Sleepers" have an advanced communications network.
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Roga Dracor
Caldari
Mental Disorders Inc.
Apex United
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Posted - 2011.07.07 11:34:00 -
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Security Enclave
1.0 Virtual Kinetic Research
2.0 Artificial Intelligence Perpetuation Technology
3.0-5.0 Interstellar Surveillance Task Force
6.0 Anti-Thermocryogenesis Research and Implementation
7.0 Modulation Navigation Network
Security seems to have been a main concern for them. Translocation, or Transporter technology was being studied.
As was AI perpetuation, likely programmed to continue the "plan" if the "Sleepers were unable to. Someone to awaken the sleepers. And a force to patrol their space, these are the "Sleeper Drones" we encounter.
Thermogenesis is the heat created by biological function. My best guess is this relates to Isogen 5 in some way. As it is in the Security Enclave.
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Roga Dracor
Caldari
Mental Disorders Inc.
Apex United
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Posted - 2011.07.07 11:41:00 -
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Well, I assume some of this will become more clear, or proven absolute BS, after Tony G's book is released. We'll really have to wait and see.
I will stand on record as having put myself out there with the speculations, wild or otherwise. And if I am proven wrong in the least, maybe it will spur someone to get it right?
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Roga Dracor
Caldari
Mental Disorders Inc.
Apex United
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Posted - 2011.07.07 12:22:00 -
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Edited by: Roga Dracor on 07/07/2011 12:26:47
I would tend to agree. There are many instances of methods to harvest the kind of energy needed to sustain these facilities indefinately. And you would want your Life Support Systems close at hand.
Thinking on it, with it's connection to Vitrauze, maybe thats what it means, Life Support Systems? Or Habitation Enclave?
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Roga Dracor
Caldari
Mental Disorders Inc.
Apex United
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Posted - 2011.07.07 13:11:00 -
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Edited by: Roga Dracor on 07/07/2011 13:12:43
7.0 Modulation Navigation Network
The wormhole network control system. It being placed in Security leads me to believe the connections are not random, but, in a complex, encrypted pattern. Making invasion impractical from a logistics standpoint.
But, making it navigatable to those with a map of the pattern. Which, incidentally would likely take years to accomplish in real time.
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Roga Dracor
Caldari
Mental Disorders Inc.
Apex United
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Posted - 2011.07.07 14:30:00 -
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Another subject that needs a look from investigators is pragmatism.
And before anyone complains about Wiki, as I stated, Evelopedia and Wikipedia are very valid tools to use for explaination of the ideas that mankind has conceptualized throughout it's history. Philisophical debate will be as long lived as mankind.
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Roga Dracor
Caldari
Mental Disorders Inc.
Apex United
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Posted - 2011.07.08 04:51:00 -
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Edited by: Roga Dracor on 08/07/2011 04:55:24
"Maybe I'm out in left field here, but to me it seems like they're studying the creation new information, ideas or minds with a genetic/evolutionary approach that doesn't necessarily involve biology/wetware."
Yes, rogue drones, not the the failed ones that irritate the empires and the drone regions, they are flawwed imperfect reproductions or partial copies. No, the type that the Empires turned a Jovian agent over to in the Sisters of Eve arc. The Enheduanni?
My guess is the Cohort Site is likely where the project went wrong. Where the "Sleepers" lost control of their drones and subsequently rewrote the progamming of their more docile current drones.
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Roga Dracor
Caldari
Mental Disorders Inc.
Apex United
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Posted - 2011.07.08 17:50:00 -
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Or, perhaps, the modules are based upon a genetic signature somehow? |
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